Tim: 0:05

welcome back. We've got Vaughn and Jude in the house. Gonna talk some acon. How we doing guys?

Jude: 0:13

Good. Yeah, I think I'm still recovering from the final, we witnessed last night.

Tim: 0:19

I think the whole

Jude: 0:19

I've

Tim: 0:20

football world is.

Jude: 0:20

seen a football match like that ever in my life, and it's like, it's one of those. Where you're gonna it for a very.

Tim: 0:31

It doesn't, it feel like one of those games where there are a lot of people out there who didn't tune in and they will. They'll remember looking at their phones and seeing like other people remembering it, but they're not gonna remember that game.'cause Yeah, man, a lot of people, I saw the viewership figures and it was so much lower than what I expected. But wow. What a game for the people who tuned in.

Jude: 0:59

Oh. Of viewership just for interesting.

Tim: 1:02

Oh, I'll have to get the tweet. But it was something like. 82% lower than Euro final. The last one, which I kind of get. You've got a lot of people tuning in to the Eurofins because you've got players who are playing in other clubs all over the world and, they're interested for that reason or a bigger football market. But, I think gradually during the game, I'm sure the viewership bumped up as people realized there was something crazy going on. But yeah. Speaking of acon, Jude, why don't you, you kick us off given you are doing your TV job earlier. Congratulations on all the various appearances on TV, Jude that you've had lately. Many congrats on the podcast. Yeah, walk us through what was a pretty insane Sunday evening of acon.

Jude: 1:59

As I said, I've never seen a football match like that. Where. Like half the team went back to the changing room. I think nothing really happened. I think there's that rule where if one player is still on the field of play, like it's still game on. I don't know if that came into play last night, but KAF says they are reviewing all the footage from it and they are going to be sanctions. For whichever party transgressed rules and conduct. but in my opinion, I feel like Senegal deserved to win. Just purely because of some of the calls that were made. I think the Senegal goal. Initially, I think that should have stood, I think that's a very harsh file to call. And the fact that it wasn't looked at VR and if that is not a file, the file for the penalty shouldn't have been a file either. Pretty much almost the same of offense attached to the shoulder. And then the panka. I think that's the worst possible time to try and pull off a panka. It's the last kick of the game in a major final. Yeah. And

Tim: 3:26

And with his weak, with his weak foot,

Jude: 3:30

with his weak foot trying to, trying to write an amazing story

Tim: 3:35

what?

Jude: 3:35

didn't work out for him.

Tim: 3:36

I, I, I'm not even sure the story. Is that amazing? If it goes in, I'm like, yes, you, you've won the game, or you, you know, you've scored the goal with your weaker foot, but like, it's the risk ever worth the reward in that scenario. That's a crazy move. I dunno, if I was a coach, I think I would lose my mind if a player missed a penalty in a final with their weaker foot like.

Chervon: 4:08

And I think the sad thing about it is he's had such a good tournament or he had such a good tournament up until that moment,

Tim: 4:14

Great player. Yeah.

Chervon: 4:17

but also men, like Mendy has saved a panka like that before. So. Surely you, you know that this is not,

Jude: 4:27

and, and so yes, he had a great tournament. He finishes the top scorer, but no one's gonna remember him for having a great tournament. They're just gonna remember the panka attempt. for him,

Chervon: 4:39

yeah, there

Jude: 4:40

I saw a lot of, I saw a lot of people liken it to Roberto Gios penalty against Brazil at the World Cup.

Tim: 4:49

A similar level of infamy, I think is on the cards here.

Jude: 4:53

Yeah. Yeah.

Chervon: 4:56

I also, I think, I mean obviously a lot of things have come out on social media and stuff like that, post. The, the final, but there was just so much, for lack of a better, better word, and I'm sorry mommy if you're listening to this, but so much Shithouse read that was going on, but like specifically from the Moroccan side. I mean, it started before Senegal even arrived in Reba. Like they had to take a train and when they arrived at the train station, there was no security for them. So they were swamped by fans and then they were given a training ground right next to Morocco's training ground. So they didn't have any. like security or any secrecy or anything to that effect. And then sure you guys have seen, the videos everywhere about the tolls and like just fighting over stupid things. But at the same time, I still don't think it excuses Senegal for walking off the pitch. And I genuinely think the Senegal. Like coach or manager, don't know if he's a coach or a manager will ask Armon to explain the difference. I don't think he should. I think he should be banned from football because I don't think he's, he's like, the right word? He does, he's not a leader. That's the word I'm looking for. He's not a leader. He is not a coach. He's not a manager. Like that's not how you behave. Mm.

Jude: 6:16

I think there was a lot of emotions in the air at the time. And I think if he were to the situation, I don't think he would've called the players off the pitch. Those are my, just my opinion a decision that's made in a moment like that can't, or I mean, I feel like he didn't, he wasn't thinking properly, is what I'm trying to say in, in that moment.

Chervon: 6:43

enough. But I mean, he also caused fights in the Egypt game as well, which was also unnecessary. don't, as a manager and a coach, you don't go storming onto the pitch like it's your job to calm everyone down. And yes, you can be emotional, but that's not how a leader behaves, in my eyes at.

Tim: 7:06

I agree it's not how a leader behaves. It depends whether football one's professionalism or WWE style entertainment. I personally found it to be a very entertaining game. There's a balance, right? Because like football has become a little bit medical in some respects, where every decision has to be the correct one from an objective point of view. Even if we spend five minutes deciding what that decision looks like personalities have been like massaged out the games that everyone is a sort of a pr massage message that the club has approved in every interview. And so. Even the games actually have become in, especially in the Premier League, often quite these like tactical ball fests. I saw that we have 17 0 0 draws in the Premier League this season. Last season we had 16 in the whole sort of calendar year, and we're in game week 22 and, we've got 17. The number of goals overall I think if C and Arsenal score at this rate. City will end on 78 goals, an arsenal on 69, which would be the lowest for both clubs in 10 years. So, scoring is on the way down. And I think with all those various things looking at less entertaining a game like this sort of comes outta nowhere, right? It's, it's like what is going on?

Chervon: 8:32

Yeah.

Tim: 8:34

If you look at the two lineups, you'd say Morocco are strong favorites. Would you agree with that? No.

Jude: 8:41

Oh, it's a tough one. I, I think both sides have. Equal amounts of quality in terms of just who the players are and of course where they play which has a, which kind of has a bearing. If you are looking at those things. For, it was pretty equal. The players that I've that I watch regularly or have watched regularly and then the players that I didn't know, they still international level players and performed well on the big stage.

Tim: 9:17

Yeah. What a strange, I don't even know if it's a good advert for. ACON or a bad advert. In a way it's like, come watch this crazy final, and another way it's like you're gonna see some stuff you might never see anywhere else.

Chervon: 9:36

I've also never watched a game in my entire life that was like that and I feel like if you miss the game, it sort of gives me 2005 Liverpool Champions League final vibes where you wake up and you're just like, what actually happened?

Tim: 9:50

Is that a dream? Yeah.

Chervon: 9:52

Yeah, like at the same time we've got people talking about Afghan somehow. I've never seen my feed with European and American analysts or, net basically commenting so much about Afghan after this tournament. It was just, it got people talking, which is something that I think is really, really good. And one thing I must say about the tournament itself was, Morocco stadiums were beautiful, their pitches were world class, if I understand correctly, they might be awarded the next club World Cup to prepare them for the World Cup in 2030. So just think like they really, really stepped it up. Well,

Tim: 10:36

The one in 2030 is the one with Spain and Portugal.

Chervon: 10:40

the six countries.

Tim: 10:42

Yeah. Yeah.

Jude: 10:43

The three South American ones, and then I Spain, Portugal, Moroccan.

Tim: 10:50

Let's move on to the weird weekend of Premier League action. I think it was I don't know about you, but I did not see United Beating City. Maybe I should have. Maybe I, maybe I should have actually like the new manager bounce and all that. Did you guys see this coming?

Jude: 11:08

I didn't. R while within chasing down arsenal and playing Manu United, whether it's at home or away, is one of, is one game now more than in the last 10 years, is a game that cities should be winning if they are serious. About, about chasing arsenal. But o other than that, other than the result, I think United played really well. I think,

Tim: 11:35

May.

Jude: 11:36

The performance, it surprised me. It got me questioning what was Amar doing the whole time? It's basically the same players, just set up a little bit differently, but the quality is there to pull off such results. and it's about, putting them together. Maybe go on a run and that guy can cut his hair if he's still growing. Aton.

Chervon: 11:57

Yeah, is still growing it. And I think he someone put a AI thing of him actually with the sha a shaved head now that it's coming. I seen unit play that well in years. It's do you remember that time when Jude said, has anyone tried to put united in rice?

Tim: 12:20

Yeah.

Chervon: 12:21

like. Yeah, you said like, because anyone tried to put you in ice, in rice to like reset them and reboot them. I feel like that happened. also didn't know that Kerik is so Alex Ferguson's son-in-law, so maybe that has something to do with it. I don't know. But something's, I mean, everyone showed up and obviously having the players back from Afghan as well made a big difference. But geez. So it looked like city of like yesterday before they got the money that was playing on that pitch. I don't think they actually, I think they had one shot on target if I, if I remember correctly.

Tim: 12:58

Said you were bad.

Chervon: 13:00

Certain You were terrible. And the fact that they've made so many signings recently is just to see.

Tim: 13:08

Yeah, and I don't know Citi flattered to deceive this season. There's like moments where they go on a hot streak, but I immediately, I put Foden in my team after he scored that one banger. And then he went on a five or six game streak where every game he was scoring, scoring the moment Foden stopped scoring on a streak like that. You know, you can transfer him out.'cause he doesn't go back. He's, he'll go quiet for a few months and it's come at a bad time because Holland is quiet. Which is odd for city. I dunno, I haven't seen, I haven't seen Holland look this muted in, in quite a while. Even when they play badly and they concede goals, he's still. In the game and getting his shots off, and I don't know, there were quite a few nearly moments in this game, but for him, one or two, but for the most part he was just locked down. You know, McGuire did a really good job I thought.

Jude: 14:04

I think Holland was more than usual involved in the actual play. I feel like sometimes he is, more of a target man. I think he was more involved. But as you said, McGuire doing a job on him and keeping him quiet and off the score sheets.

Chervon: 14:22

Yeah, I feel like when Holland is playing more infield and trying to control balls and stuff like that. That's not when you get the best out of him, he needs to just be your focus. And

Jude: 14:34

Find the space, get the ball to him.

Chervon: 14:36

to back and stuff like that. That's not when you're gonna get the best out of him. But I also feel like with Donna Ruma, such a good goalkeeper. Like he really, really is. But once you, you break him you score once against him. very easy then to get more goals against him.

Tim: 14:57

Yeah, I know. It's the same thing. You're right.

Chervon: 14:59

it's like he's got this,

Tim: 15:01

I.

Chervon: 15:01

I'm lacking the word for like, when you're at war and then you like, break the forces almost. What is the word you'd help me? Help me? Like

Jude: 15:10

The shackles.

Chervon: 15:11

yeah, no, like when you siege the, the barrier. I, I can't, you guys know what I mean? Like. Something like that. Yes. And then once that happens, it's like floodgates almost. Yeah.

Tim: 15:27

That's a good analogy.

Chervon: 15:30

because like it's so strong. And then once, once the damn wall breaks, like everything floods.

Tim: 15:36

Yeah. Yeah, I agree with that because there are games where, where he's just incredible. Thinking of PSG Arsenal, semifinal of the Champions League last season, where oh man, in that second leg in particular, he was just outstanding. But I've seen a few games this season for where you just watch 1, 2, 3, and you're like, oh, okay. Maybe the first goal. Yep. I can understand why you haven't saved that, but you expect an elite keeper to, even when you're under siege, save one or two goals just because they're elite. That's their job. Yeah. Odd game. What do you think about United's prospects under the interim manager until the end of the season? Are we gonna see a resurgent united or is this a bit of a false dawn? What are we saying? Predictions.

Jude: 16:26

dunno, of a, it's kind of a trend with unit. Every time they get an interim manager, they end up doing well and that interim manager then becomes

Tim: 16:34

Okay.

Jude: 16:34

and it's a, it's a cycle and it. never ends up working. I think the closest they've come to it working is, was when Ali was there.'Cause he was also an interim manager that famous Rio Ferdinand clip ways. him, give him the checkbook, him write whatever number he is at the wheel. Yeah. So I do think it's, I, I do think it's gonna be a better second half of the season for United. If the game against City has anything to go by they have been even under, I, I mean under Amar m they were, were quite inconsistent in terms of if they can keep up the winning, if that guy cuts his hair it's a, that, that's a good sign.

Chervon: 17:24

I just need them to be consistent for this coming weekend, and then it's fine. Even though they might go above me in the league, I just need.

Tim: 17:37

I feel like there's gonna be a lot of people supporting United this weekend, and that's fine.

Chervon: 17:43

That far to say I'll support them, but I mean, if they they win, I wouldn't be angry about it fully.

Jude: 17:52

I want United to lose their top four rivals.

Chervon: 17:55

And, and I'm

Tim: 17:56

Pragmatic.

Chervon: 17:56

like if they win and we, because the way Liverpool are playing right now, I don't know, we might just draw yet another game. So they'll go above us, but someone needs to take points off Arsenal and for all three, not just two.

Tim: 18:13

Yeah. It's worth saying, speaking about that game for a second, I suppose I'm gonna be at the game. So I'm looking forward to that. I'm a little nervous. I do think that, obviously you've got the new manager bounce and all that. So United are in the right mood for a sort of a scalping, but. I think United Games have always been difficult, like even when they're terrible Arsenal versus United it's a game within its own little universe or its own microcosm. So I dunno if it changes all that much. All I'll say is I hope it's a, an exciting game. I hate excuses. And so now if we beat United and we give them a hiding. What's the excuse? You know, that'll, that would be such a shock to people, I think, and, and would set people back so far in their estimations of what's happened at United that I, I can't help but just be an evil person and really, really want that to happen. But, I think it'll be a really close game. Yeah, it could, could come down to as usual a set piece or a moment of magic from either side to make it happen. But I don't see a four, four type game. The Premier League doesn't throw them up very often anymore. They're all, they're more often or more likely to be a one N than they are unfortunately, a high scoring game. Just a final comment on me though, was on the last game Week City obviously lost United Arsenal. Drew Liverpool. Drew Villa lost. Chelsea won. Nice. The teams in the

Chervon: 19:49

the first time, the top four or something.

Tim: 19:52

Yeah. For a long time and I'm, I'm just wondering whether you guys feel at all that fixture congestion is having an impact here because United. It did look really fresh and really up for it, and. You are having other teams like Liverpool and Chelsea and Arsenal playing 12 games in, I mean, four games in 12 days. 12. 12 games in four days would be, would be something. Four games in 12 days. That's a lot of football. Do you feel that's a all explaining why teams like City Arsenal, Liverpool, and to be honest, Villa as well, looked a bit lethargic this weekend.

Jude: 20:32

I mean, it is, it is entirely possible that that is the case. Manu nights not playing any European football getting knocked out in the cups in the first round. Or in the first round that they are in having scheduled or having now having 40 games in the season they would want to look fresh and, and be fresh fresher than those in and around them. I, it is, it is a possibility. I, I don't know, but we just come out of a, a very busy period in English football in general where there hasn't been European football since the beginning of December. but yeah, it is, it is a possibility, but you never know, like what the training schedules are like and how hard they train and those type of things.

Tim: 21:25

Yeah. For what are we saying then for game week 23? I think what, what, what do we have? We've got Newcastle Villa, which I think is a potentially a really nice game.

Jude: 21:39

Potentially, you know, all, all the, all the games that are potentially bangers end up being like a, like a stale draw.

Tim: 21:48

Yeah. Yeah. This has one, one written all over it, doesn't it?

Chervon: 21:54

I,

Tim: 21:56

I'm gonna write that down one sec. For bets.

Chervon: 22:00

I actually think we might be surprised with like a three, two, or something.

Tim: 22:05

Three, two to Villa, you're saying, lemme write that down for bes

Chervon: 22:09

Mm.

Tim: 22:11

Palace, Chelsea, what do we think about that?

Jude: 22:15

Happy my isn't there anymore.

Tim: 22:17

Mm,

Jude: 22:19

That'll do us well. I'm not, I haven't spoken on this podcast about my new manager.

Tim: 22:25

yes.

Jude: 22:26

I'm excited to see what he can do. I'm cautiously optimistic. He talks a big game. We played very well against Branford although there was some. Things that I like. I wasn't like some of the defending wasn't to standard or up, up to how I would, like Robert Sanchez had a lot to do in, in other words.

Tim: 22:49

Yep.

Jude: 22:49

As long as he start, he gets results. Like, Liam, you can stay as long as you want bv. Just get, just get results.

Chervon: 22:57

Young though. Hey,

Tim: 22:59

He is young.

Jude: 22:59

it's it's 40 41.

chervon_1_01-19-2026_205845: 23:01

geez.

Tim: 23:02

It's got two nil. Chelsea written all over it for me with palace in the weird, weird space that they're in.

Jude: 23:09

Managers leaving at the of the season

chervon_1_01-19-2026_205845: 23:11

manager, some really comments to the media

Tim: 23:16

Yeah, he's quite.

chervon_1_01-19-2026_205845: 23:17

Yeah, so just before the game, he made comments about how he was told he had made his choices for the team lineup and whatever, and he was told, no, you can't include gay because he's being sold like the day before the game, and he didn't even know about it. He's like, how, how do you expect me to go? And when a game, when my captain and my main defender is being sold in that I find out a day before, same like with Isaiah, apparently he found out the day before that Isaiah was being sold. he's just like, I understand that this is not just a football club and it's also a business, but communication needs to, needs to happen and he really needs gay right now. And, it shouldn't, he shouldn't be put like thrown under the bus for money. In other words.

Tim: 24:03

Yeah, he's had a, he's had problems with palace's hierarchy for not investing in the team for a while. And I think he, I think he probably feels at some level that if Palace had been invested in under his tenure, that he might have, yeah, that there may have been like a top six finish on the cards for Palace this season, you know?

chervon_1_01-19-2026_205845: 24:25

But I, I also think this is the, the risk you, you run when you win a trophy. Winning the FA cup means people are gonna be watching your players a lot more, more closely and if the rumors are correct. I think mate also said that he doesn't wanna stay and he wants to move as well.'cause he thinks that he, he deserves a new challenge and he belongs in the, in the bigger club. Bigger, and I say bigger and inverts a commas, but like

Tim: 24:50

So he also has a bizarre aspiration to he said before he f he retires, he needs to play for a, a, a Syria art club in Italy. Which,

Jude: 25:01

Dream,

Tim: 25:02

yeah.

Jude: 25:03

go for it. I think, I think Crystal Palace falls within the category of clubs that can't really push for anything more than what they do. just because when they, when they sign a talent and the talent explodes 10 out of 10 times, they're gonna sell that player to a bigger club.

chervon_1_01-19-2026_205845: 25:29

A.

Jude: 25:30

They're a selling club. and that's just, it's unfortunate that, that kinds of clubs are a thing. Imagine if all the so-called smaller clubs in the league were to hold onto their most talented players, where.

Tim: 25:52

Forever.

Jude: 25:54

Well, not forever, but I mean throughout their prime, let's say how the Premier League would look in terms of competitiveness.

Tim: 26:03

I mean, you'd have people like. Staying, of course, I'm thinking of, I'm thinking of Arsenal's team, how many of them are made up of players from within the league? And there's, there's a few. Ben White from Leeds. Brighton. Brighton actually. Yeah,

chervon_1_01-19-2026_205845: 26:20

I just think about Liverpool. Poor Southampton. We gutted

Tim: 26:24

yeah, yeah.

chervon_1_01-19-2026_205845: 26:25

We completely

Tim: 26:26

Ton decent one.

Jude: 26:28

Brighton has a, is a, is a good example as well,

Tim: 26:31

Yeah.

Jude: 26:33

McAllister

Tim: 26:34

yeah.

chervon_1_01-19-2026_205845: 26:35

Look at wolves.

Jude: 26:38

wolves.

Tim: 26:40

Yeah, yeah. That's a good point. So city's playing wolves predictions there. I mean, city haven't won since what? Boxing Day? I think it's been four game weeks.

Jude: 26:51

haven't won. They haven't won this year.

Tim: 26:53

Yeah.

Jude: 26:54

And, and wolves chain, they, they're picking up points.

Tim: 26:57

They finally look good.

Jude: 26:59

they, they're looking good. Would it be crazy for a draw a, a

Tim: 27:04

I've got one. One here.

Jude: 27:06

as a city wolves draw?

Tim: 27:08

Yeah.

chervon_1_01-19-2026_205845: 27:09

No, I think with gay signing now and guys, samo hit the ground running for City.

Jude: 27:20

At all traffic or did I didn't. I didn't really?

chervon_1_01-19-2026_205845: 27:22

also played, he played on the right wing. He didn't play on the left wing'cause he played doku on on the left.

Jude: 27:27

Yeah.

chervon_1_01-19-2026_205845: 27:28

The menu on the right and I know some menu can play down both wings. So I think that might have made a a bit of a difference for him.'cause I don't think Simon menu has played on the right in a long time.

Tim: 27:37

So menus better, better than Doku.

chervon_1_01-19-2026_205845: 27:39

he

Tim: 27:39

Doku on the right.

chervon_1_01-19-2026_205845: 27:40

false nine sort of position. So it was a little bit weird for me. I don't see wolves getting any points of city.'cause they're gonna come back with revenge. I mean it is city at the end of the day, watch Highland score like a quadruple hat trick. That,

Tim: 27:59

Please don't. FPL will never be the same. Arsenal United. I'm gonna go with a, I'm gonna go with a controversial, potentially, actually not really. Two One Wind arsenal. It is indeed.

chervon_1_01-19-2026_205845: 28:16

oh, you guys.

Jude: 28:20

I am going with an arsenal win.

chervon_1_01-19-2026_205845: 28:24

School,

Jude: 28:27

By one goal. I, I don't know, 2, 1, 1, no, two, any of those variations.

chervon_1_01-19-2026_205845: 28:36

should I be real or should I, should I, should I just be the pain in, in terms, but right now,

Tim: 28:41

the pain

Jude: 28:45

You gonna what?

chervon_1_01-19-2026_205845: 28:45

Gonna say Unites.

Tim: 28:47

to n. Clean sheet. Interesting.

Jude: 28:54

Are you trying to get into Saul's good books?

chervon_1_01-19-2026_205845: 28:57

So must just come back on this podcast and maybe we can talk.

Tim: 29:04

Yeah. Since you guys debated you, he, he's lost a manager, so that doesn't help your standing in an argument, does it? Bournemouth Liverpool's, my last one on the list for quick prediction. I think Liverpool's gonna win it and I think it's gonna be comfortable. So I'm going with a, it is a away, actually. Is it a way? It is a way.

chervon_1_01-19-2026_205845: 29:23

I think it is.

Tim: 29:25

Not still going with a two. No win. Two, no win to Liverpool for me.

Jude: 29:29

I'm gonna go. Two. One Liverpool.

chervon_1_01-19-2026_205845: 29:34

I am gonna go for a three null, a difficult one. And the only reason why I think it's going to be a Semicon convincing win in a way, is because there's rumors that Shabi Alonzo is currently in Liverpool. pictures of him at Albert Albert Dock and at Cosby Beach with his wife. I'm trying not to smile this big about it yeah, apparently Shabi Alonzo is on holiday in, in Liverpool at the moment,

Jude: 30:04

He's possibly just enjoying his severance package.

chervon_1_01-19-2026_205845: 30:07

possibly, but I mean, could have gone to a summer country, you know, out of Spain. But he chose to go to Liverpool. But there is also like, I also saw an advertisement campaign of like all school players and there is also a legends match coming up in March. So maybe it's for that. Maybe it's for other reasons. I don't know. Maybe he just went to go see Steven Ger and have like a good find, like meet Gerald's grandkid, dunno.

Jude: 30:38

Do you think Alonza can just, you know, slot in

chervon_1_01-19-2026_205845: 30:42

I, I love honey.

Jude: 30:45

No.

chervon_1_01-19-2026_205845: 30:48

no, no, no, no, no. Wait. This is, this is my, my genuine thoughts. I don't think FSG are going to fire on a slot this season, I do think that they're in talks for Shelby Alonza for next season. If. If ANE gets out of the Champions League and the FA Cup, then things might be accelerated a little bit. But I think as long as we're in those, those two tournaments and there is still a trophy that we can possibly put our hands on, he will keep his job. I thinks coming back makes a big difference. Our injuries have completely gutted us and we have long-term injuries, which is difficult, but that's not an excuse for the way that we're playing. So I don't think Shabi will slot in the season. My, my dream'cause slot like is not fulfilling my dream. My dream is to have Shabi Alonzo as met as head coach and Steven Jar as assistant, and then my life will be made.

Tim: 31:50

And in another episode of Football Manager. Okay, so we all went with a Liverpool win in the end. I think that's probably all we've got time for trying to wrap it up at 30 minutes. We just about made it. I think if you exclude some of the. Stuff at the beginning before kicked it off. Hey, 25. There we go. 25 is a nice round number. I like that. We love that. Von Jude, thank you as ever for making time and joining us for a chat about the Premier League and football in general. Listeners, thank you as always for tuning in and chat to you next time, CIA for now.